thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> sri, your thoughts on the fiscal cliff. you say even if washington comes to a compromise we will see a drag on the economy and markets. why? >> i think we are going up the fiscal mountain now. it doesn't have to be a fiscal canyon. you don't have to have a lack of agreement and falling off the cliff in order for you to have a negative impact on the economy. even if you are coming down a fiscal slope with increase in some of the tax rates, for instance, expiring the payroll tax cuts to expire or minimize taxes to hit some people. high tax residents new york, california may find some of the deductibility of taxes is restricted. all of that is going to have a negative impact on consumption. we have seen the third quarter show that consumption increase is slower than expected. that's going to get accentuated as we go into the new year, which is why i think even if there is an agreement the impact is going to be quite negative. >> jim, you disagree. you call it a mole hill. what do you mean? >> i think it's sold as a cliff as if